I'm Not One To Start Conspiracy Theories, But The Officials Sure Wanted WVU To Win That Game

Saturday, December 01, 2007

If you haven't been watching Pitt is handling West Virginia and should be killing them at this point. The problem is that on two occasions officials called phantom holding penalties and added a non-interference call immediately following one of the holdings. The first holding call came on a TD and here's the video on the former two calls....

Pitt somehow hung on and that's yet another #2 to go down. And with Missouri's impending loss to Oklahoma coming in the next 30 minutes we're going to be looking at an OSU-Georgia Championship game. One of the greatest season's ever is going to end with the shittiest finale of all time.

It's never happening, but here's another vote for Playoffs.


don't sound too bitter AA

jason said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:22:00 PM  

I'm pretty sure most of America is bitter.

Dec 1, 2007, 11:23:00 PM  

Do you really think it's going to be UGA? The ABC guys don't seem to think so, since they "didn't even make the SEC championship game." Which is unbelievably stupid logic, because UGA, Tennessee and LSU were all 6-2, but that seems like it might be what happens.

Vegas Watch said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:25:00 PM  

It was just terrible watching this game with the horrible refs, and Mike Patrick not shutting the fuck up about how many timeouts the Mountain-queers had late in the game, you would think his spotters would have corrected him after he constantly said that there were 2 timeouts remaining, when in reality there was only 1 left, kind of important, but really fucking annoying

WahoosPlayhouse said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:26:00 PM  

probably not most of America AA, I'm sure they are celebrating in Columbus.

jason said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:27:00 PM  

Love how the ref "watching the play" doesn't throw the flag. College football lost it's luster for me years ago.

Go Hawai'i!

twoeightnine said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:28:00 PM  

must be the curse of being ranked 1 or 2...

Anonymous said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:30:00 PM  

"One of the greatest season's ever is going to end with the shittiest finale of all time."

anytime you want to get off your high horse, what the f*** is your problem anyway AA? It has been a crazy season in college football, that is what makes it exciting to watch, never know what is going to happen next or who is playing in what bowl game.

miket said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:43:00 PM  

They're saying LSU-OSU for national championship game...sounds like a pretty damn good game to me AA....we should maybe call you Herbstreit for jumping the gun a little early.

Anonymous said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:53:00 PM  

Anon- "Pretty good" as in another Big Ten team getting destroyed in the National Championship game by an SEC team.

Brett said...
Dec 1, 2007, 11:57:00 PM  

AA - the calls were terrible no question. I would rather see...sigh...LSU make it than Georgia, and I think that might be about to happen since LSU got the chance to win the conference and managed not to screw up.


NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:05:00 AM  

I'm sorry but Ohio State is the 10th best team in the country. I'm not being biased in saying that (I don't think) and of course LSU deserves it I just don't think they'll make it in with the losses.

Remember this is a computer system and not human. Not matter how many people vote LSU #1 in the polls the computer still sees those two losses.

Georgia also technically played the toughest schedule this year.

Dec 2, 2007, 12:08:00 AM  

Oops. I was trying to link my own thoughts on the title game. Apparently the URL's too long. Never fear, 'tis on the front page.


Well anyway, Hawaii-Kansas, anyone?

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:08:00 AM  

Like Jesse Palmer said on Sportscenter, the key is the coaches. Will they drop Georgia, Virginia Tech, and Kansas for LSU. Coaches have a history of being very strict with their voting.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:10:00 AM  


I dare someone to defend that schedule. I bet Hawaii's was harder.

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:13:00 AM  

On the play in question, the field judge threw the flag and he was 10 yards away from the play. The linesman, who was 2 feet from the play didn't throw a flag. The officials must have been from the WV high school circuit. I am happy though Pitt hung on to win. The played so much better than WV.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:17:00 AM  

BTW Another potential BCS team about to lose. Hawaii is down 21-0 to Washington.

Brett said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:18:00 AM  

The Big East should be embarassed and ashamed of the job those conference whores did tonight.

I dont think UGA gets in. I think its OSU-LSU.

Steve said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:22:00 AM  

Ah, shit. Hawaii is getting killed. That really pisses on my proposed title game.

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:23:00 AM  

I just don't see LSU leap frogging that many teams. The whole system is just wack. How can LSU be behind VT after destroying them earlier in the year?

The BCS was meant to fail and this is the first year it'll truly entirely fail.

Dec 2, 2007, 12:28:00 AM  

A valid point that I forgot to make on my own blog is that VT lost badly to LSU. Good call.

On the bright side, maybe all this chaos will cause them to re-evaluate the system? Maybe? Please?

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:30:00 AM  

P.S.- Hawaii is crapping the bed big time.

Dec 2, 2007, 12:31:00 AM  

Hawaii is a joke. Do you honestly expect use to buy Nevada as a quality opponent?

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:36:00 AM  

Yeah, the announcer just said something like "that's a quarter they need to take outside the stadium and bury." Realistically, that quarter of "football" from the Warriors needs a double-tap, back of the head.

So you think LSU can't leapfrog Georgia, KU, and VT? I can see them easily getting past KU. Georgia and VT are harder to figure. VT smacked down BC, but BC really played like shit in the second half of the season. Georgia, as well documented, didn't make a conference championship, so I think LSU can surpass them...but it's all speculation.

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:37:00 AM  

I think we should just have a 4 team SEC tourney with LSU, Tenn, Georgia, and Florida to crown the National Championship.

Dec 2, 2007, 12:39:00 AM  

Maybe we just shouldn't have a national champion this season...

NHZ said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:41:00 AM  

Terrible, terrible officiating in that WVU-Pitt game. Plainly biased to the point that the commentators and the talking heads on SportCenter made an issue of it. Let's just hope the NCAA makes an issue of it too, to ensure crap like that doesn't ever happen again.

Oh, and I agree. Just say no one wins this year because the BCS is fucked.

Mike said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:14:00 AM  

No NC game would be just fine by me. And a 4 team SEC playoff would probably give the majority of the people that only watch ESPN when pertaining to college football thoughts satisfied. Oh and throw USC in there too.

Brett said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:16:00 AM  

The system is fucked and if LSU doesn't end up getting into the National Championship and wins their bowl game, I guarantee we have co-National Champions again. Then they'll say they'll fix it, but it's unfixable without at least a plus one system.

nikbask said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:27:00 AM  

i watched van pelt and jesse palmer talk for about 15 minutes after the game and i must say i was impressed with palmer. he speaks better than almost anyone who covers college ball for espn (not much to say there) and he gave good insight. i have honestly never heard anyone else talk on espn about how the rose bowl is the only stumbling block to a playoff, and that theory makes sense.
now if he kills mark may ill be happy

Mike Georger said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:35:00 AM  

Wow. My question is, will an informed decision indeed be made between now and tomorrow afternoon? I still don't understand why the polls come out on Sundays, with no time to review game tape, stories, etc, with many voters likely to have missed a great deal of the wall to wall action today (and probably sleeping during Hawaii's game tonight), all while competing with a full slate of NFL games.

WVU is being eliminated from the discussion because of timing. Their loss came today. LSU's was a week ago...is that better? WVU's was to an unranked opponent. So was LSU's, Oklahoma's, and USC's. More at:

Ken said...
Dec 2, 2007, 3:01:00 AM  

Hawaii is just fun to watch - that's what makes it easy to root for them, even if reason flies in their face. They finish perfect, and probably have a chance to be the third non-BCS team to crash the party (and win the bowl game). Brennan turned into a machine after that first quarter

Hank said...
Dec 2, 2007, 3:27:00 AM  

AA - don't get all pissy on us and BTW, the coaches and Harris polls make up 2/3rds of the BCS formula. So even if LSU is 3rd or even 4th in the computers, if they are a strong 2nd in the polls, they'll be in the BCS title game.

And as an Ohio State fan, I remember all you holier than thou bitches complaining about Ohio State when they beat Miami in the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. You were wrong then and hopefully you'll be wrong now. But I can't put a ton of weight into your opinion simply because you don't even have a clue how the damn BCS works in the first place.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 5:45:00 AM  

"I think we should just have a 4 team SEC tourney with LSU, Tenn, Georgia, and Florida to crown the National Championship."

Let me guess....in your thoughts, conferences should be ranked

1) SEC
2) AFC
3) NFC


Give me a break, watch the SEC go out and lose 2 out of 3 to the Big Ten again LOL

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 5:47:00 AM  

Admit it SEC fans, you are SCARED that this might be the year OHio State wins against an SEC school in a bowl game.

0-7 means they are due. Is this the year? Well since the SEC is MEDIOCRE THIS YEAR, maybe it is. Of course the entire national landscape that is college football is easily at the end of one of the most exciting yet one of the worst seasons in history they might ALL be mediocre at best.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 5:50:00 AM  


There is a whole lot of stupid on this thread.

Maybe SEC teams should not schedule the Citadel, La. Monroe, et al?

USC would beat anyone, anywhere, right now.

F-WVU...The calls and non calls in this game was a travesty.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 5:58:00 AM  

OSU 10th best team? What rock were you under this season AA. You sound like a true scUM fan.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 7:43:00 AM  

"I think we should just have a 4 team SEC tourney with LSU, Tenn, Georgia, and Florida to crown the National Championship."

AA- such a fair weather fan, if I recall correctly you are a huge Michigan fan, so when Michigan is good again will you then advocate for them Big Ten to be part of National Championship picture or are you selling out and jumping on the "SEC" bandwagon?

gobluefan said...
Dec 2, 2007, 7:53:00 AM  

AA- You are certainly biased when it comes to Ohio State. They are a lot better than 10th in the nation. I guess you are still a little dazed when Michigan (with all those "great" offensive players) only got 91 yards in offense.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 7:58:00 AM  

Interesting info on Gameday about victories over teams with winning records. Virginia Tech has the most with six. Georgia, LSU, Ohio State, and Oklahoma have five wins. USC and Kansas have two wins.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 8:09:00 AM  

AA you live blogging the BSC selection show?

tom said...
Dec 2, 2007, 9:13:00 AM  

I'm glad to see the officials getting blasted. That was one of the worst games I've ever seen. Both holding calls were iffy and the non call on the PI was a joke.

Cheers to Wanny and Pitt.

If it ends up being OSU/LSU hopefully the rose can take USC/UGA.
LSU has lost twice since both USC and UGA last lost.

Matt T said...
Dec 2, 2007, 9:47:00 AM  

no if you say AA jumps the gun.
then you need to call Brett the biggest Herbstriet impersonator.

look at his posts.
he said hawaii was about to loose?
it was 21-0 EARLY Hawaii won.

and dont knock on Ohio STate this defense is light years ahead of last years, they only let up 28 in their loss to Illinois and one score shoulda been reviewed by an offciating crew who is about to be shit all over with a suspension from the big ten. Chris Wells is way better then anotonio pittman. the rush D is unbelievable. and Boeckman is alot like Craig Krenzel and Robiskie is a HUGE big play threat. Dont knock on Ohio State until you see them play cause unless youve seen EVERY game and not just S-C highlights then you cant talk.

GusJohnsonForGod said...
Dec 2, 2007, 10:35:00 AM  

THe fact is that the system is broke. Nobody has the right to claim #1 and seven teams have a claim for #2.

If only there was a way to sort this out?

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 10:50:00 AM  

"Georgia also technically played the toughest schedule this year."

Did Georgia win the SEC and beat Virginia Tech by 41 points?

And screw USC and their "we're the best right now" bullshit argument. You lost to Stanford, and you're supposed to base your vote on the ENTIRE SEASON, not just the number of points you scored against Arizona State.

And if you base your pathetic argument on that game, then what do you say when LSU scored 48 on VA Tech and beat them by more points? The Hokies are a better team than the Sun Devils.

USC is trying to spin this "best team right now" is just plain pathetic.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 11:04:00 AM  

Playoffs would kill the sport, you should know that.

Tom Luginbill said earlier that he was in agreement with Carroll about how the "hottest" team might not have a chance to compete for the title. That's kind of the idea, Carroll said something like, "the team with the best season is the one that's rewarded" (not verbatim). That's the whole point of college football.

Fowler also contradicted himself. Either you take the few weeks of excitement that a playoff would bring or you take the 3 months of the regular season drama. A playoff would make college football like college basketball.

Eric said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:35:00 PM  

Brett = Kirk is that better GusJohnsonForGod? :)

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 12:49:00 PM  

Look OSU fans...I'm not blaming them for their schedule it's not their fault that the Big Ten had a down year and beating Michigan isn't worth as much as it used to be, but if they end up in that Championship game against LSU they're getting killed. Especially in Louisiana.

Just look at last year.

You have every right to get in based on the system...I just don't think it's right. I honestly think Hawaii could beat the Bucks and that's not a joke.

Keep coming with your opinions....I enjoy them all. Whether you're a Bucks fan or not :)

Dec 2, 2007, 1:01:00 PM  

AA you should think before you start typing some of this out.

First, claiming that Georgia - OSU would be the shittiest final of all time is a horrible comment. Obviously you don't remember Miami-Nebraska in 2001-02 or USC-Oklahoma in 04-05.

Second, your little tourney to crown the national champion from the SEC? Georgia with two losses lost to a now unranked South Carolina team, at home. Tennessee is a 4 loss team, and got drubbed by Alabama. Florida lost 3 games, including 2 at home, one being to an unranked Auburn team. LSU lost twice, including at home to an unranked Arkansas team.

At least Ohio State can say they lost to a potential BCS team. You need to swallow your pride for about 3 seconds and realize you sound like a moron when you blatantly blast OSU just because you don't like them. All they did was win 11 games and only lost once, and its not their fault that 6 teams in front of them all lost within 2 weeks. Deal with it.

Mez said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:01:00 PM  

Remember this is a computer system and not human.

So...if humans aren't telling the computers what to do, who is?

The BCS was meant to fail and this is the first year it'll truly entirely fail.

Are you serious? Nobody, and I mean nobody, would have given a rat's ass about Pitt/WVU or Oklahoma/Missouri last night or every other game involving a contender the past X weeks if it weren't for the BCS. There were so many eyeballs on a Pitt/WVU game last night that would have been completely meaningless without the BCS.

The BCS is succeeding in transforming college football from a regional sport into a truly national sport. And the conferences love it.

matskralc said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:05:00 PM  

Fowler also contradicted himself. Either you take the few weeks of excitement that a playoff would bring or you take the 3 months of the regular season drama. A playoff would make college football like college basketball.

QFT. Nobody cares about college basketball during the regular season except people who follow a particular team.

Does anybody actually think the 2006 St. Louis Cardinals were the best team in baseball? Of course they weren't: they got hot/lucky at the right time. A playoff would not crown the "best" it would crown whoever got hot/lucky at the end of the year. If Boston College or Illinois or Arizona State "won" a 16-team playoff this season, could anybody seriously tell me with a straight face they were the best team in college football?

matskralc said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:11:00 PM  

Good point mez.

gobluefan said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:23:00 PM  

Come on people. If you can't figure out that the SEC thing was a joke then I don't know what to say.

Everyone is so serious about this and that's what makes College Football fans so passionate, but do you seriously think I would say that and mean it?

Dec 2, 2007, 1:25:00 PM  

Look AA...I'm not blaming you for being biased, but obliviously there might be something more to this hate for tOSU...still trying to figure it out. Didn't you go to a an tOSU game this year?

jason said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:27:00 PM  

florida only lost one game at home
they lost to lsu on the road and georgia at a neutral site

not saying they deserve the national title bid at all, just correcting a previous point

Sam said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:29:00 PM  

Someone asked earlier and I was wondering if you were live blogging the BCS selection show?

jason said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:30:00 PM  

I don't know about live-blogging, but I'll have video and reaction up shortly thereafter.

I did go to the Wisconsin game. I'm not saying they're a bad team, but based on the schedules other teams played that they are about the 10th best team. I think any team in the top 10 should and probably would beat them. They'd be an underdog against most of those teams.

Dec 2, 2007, 1:37:00 PM  

The unsportmanlike penalty on Pitt -- did you notice the player had his index and middle finger taped together. The ref thought he was flipping the bird to the crowd after the play.
Another piece of bogus officiating for not being able to see that.

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:46:00 PM  

no team was exactly spectacular this season, to rank Ohio State #1 maybe a little high but #10 is still too low, so I have to disagree with you. This season was so unpredictable how can really pick out one or two teams that were just phenomenal?

jason said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:49:00 PM  

I also don't think they would be beat by Hawaii or a number of other teams in the top 10.

jason said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:50:00 PM  

Every referee on the field during that WVU/Pitt game should lose their jobs. The second bogus WR holding call where the ref standing 20 yards down field away from the play throwing the flag is hands down the stupidest call I've seen this year. I'd call "bullshit" too if I was the Wannstache.

Dec 2, 2007, 1:53:00 PM  

what do you think about georgia coach "lobbying" for votes on sportscenter last night and this morning, seems like he is pulling an Urban Meyer

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 1:53:00 PM  

I think it shows how fucking stupid the system is that a coach does that.

I also think it shows how fucking stupid the system is that we just assume tOSU goes in because they were #3, and ignore the fact that they straight up haven't beaten a ranked team yet this season, but nail Hawaii for the same reason.

Mike said...
Dec 2, 2007, 2:08:00 PM  

haha AA you clearly dont know how well OSU travels the Superdome will be atleast 50-50

GusJohnsonForGod said...
Dec 2, 2007, 2:15:00 PM  

it was more than that in Tempe

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 2:20:00 PM  

yah i know but we wont have 75% of the stadium (or more like in Arizona and in Texas for the UT and Alamo Bowl games) but be sure well have ATLEAST 50% of that stadium full. ALL of us with a HUGE chip, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE, HUGE chip on our shoulders. This year were the team like last years Florida that people think shouldnt be there.

GusJohnsonForGod said...
Dec 2, 2007, 2:53:00 PM  

Valid point about the chip GJFG, and I know OSU travels better than any team, but 50% in a team's backyard? Don't see that happening.

Dec 2, 2007, 3:11:00 PM  

As an Illinois fan, I fear that they will get what they wish for, the rose bowl. USC 45, Illinois 9

Anonymous said...
Dec 2, 2007, 3:47:00 PM  

just wait AA you'll see , Ohio State fans are already signing up for LSU booster clubs so they can recieve MORE tickets, they did it Miami, Ok St., ND, K-State and Florida.

GusJohnsonForGod said...
Dec 2, 2007, 4:51:00 PM  

The folks at ESPN called Richt and asked him to make his case, same with Les Miles and the other coaches.

Matt T said...
Dec 2, 2007, 4:58:00 PM  

I agree that tOSU will travel well and get smacked down like last year. You tOSU teabaggers got no clue.

But, it should be Georgia and LSU in the BCS Champ game, that would be good. I just can't get Oklahoma and Va Tech that far up in my mind.

But, tOSU? Surely y'all are kidding.

Two Dogs said...
Dec 2, 2007, 11:07:00 PM  

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